
May he rest in peace,… and is there a deeper story than the now-established narrative?
Charles James Kirk, the highly influential U.S. conservative podcaster, founder of Turning Point USA, political activist, thought leader, husband and father of two, and by his own description, a Christian above all else, was assassinated by gunshot wound at Utah Valley University in Orem, UT, on September 10, 2025, while holding an open-air student event. (link from first reports, and source of above photo)
I knew of and had watched a number of video clips of him over the years as he would hold open debates and entertain all comers’ discussions, most often on college campuses, where he would discuss controversial and polarizing issues. He would often repeat that when people stop talking to one another that they begin to see the other as not human and would become more prone to physical altercations and harms. Speech was his tool to minimize societal violence.
I did not follow him regularly, do not particularly follow Christian leaders (although I have somewhat recently come to describe myself as a cultural Christian in that I see the most successful societal outcomes stem from those values), consider myself a non-partisan, anti-interventionist libertarian not very enamored of typical Republican (and certainly not neo-conservative warhawk) ideologies. However, in many ways, I saw Mr. Kirk as a fellow traveler and a good faith actor.
The shooting took place around 12:20pm this past Wednesday. I happened to be at home alone after having worked that morning. I checked in on my X news feed around 2pm, where I was immediately drawn into the terrible and gory event and on-site videos.
It immediately felt like that moment was a societal and historical inflection point. Perhaps a sad statement to our societal discord, I immediately did not want to interact with anyone that I suspected might have an uncharitable view of the man. I certainly did not want to hear any gloating or “got what he deserved” type commentary. Even with my relative political and religious distance from Mr. Kirk, this seemed too personal – worthy of respectful mourning.
I canceled weekend plans for a family gathering to provide that space. Not typically given to outward reactions or emotion, I was profoundly affected and needed some quiet time to figure out more deeply who he was, to what extent the immediate portrayals of the man were accurate, the vitriol that was already mounting against him on social media, what had happened, who was responsible and why they would choose to kill him.
My post here is not really about honoring Mr. Kirk, although after spending many hours this week in review and research I believe he deserves honor and gratitude. (To assess criticisms against him and add context, one of the best addresses I found to accusations was made by a gay, black supporter named Amir Odom via X post). My interest here is in documenting data and thoughts that run counter to both left and right narratives in regards to Mr. Kirk’s assassination – a counter counter narrative, I suppose.
I will skip through the intermediate steps of filtering through my own assumptions, biases, and what the news networks and talking heads presented regarding guns, extremists, right vs left, transsexuals, SSRIs and their effect on deranged shooters, hateful reactions and rhetoric on social media, etc.
First, Charlie Kirk was arguably the most influential conservative influencer and podcaster in the U.S., and definitely the most influential with the rising, conservative, under-30 crowd. His campus activism through his organization, Turning Point USA, was unparalleled in inspiring young adults towards political, societal and religious ideas. In addition, he had friendships and alliances in potentially every department of the current administration. It is possible that there is no other character like him in past or present that could mobilize and influence like he did.
Second, in recent weeks to a few months, Kirk had publicly and privately altered some of his opinions of the leadership of Israel. While still supporting the people, he seemed to be drawing a distinction between Jews as a religious and historical people, and the government of that country. He had begun to question foreign policy and wars, e.g. Oct 7 (2023) and the Hamas incursion into Israel (so many controversial positions, but here’s a ZH article for the uninitiated), the treatment of Gaza, the role of the U.S. military and taxpayer in supporting those endeavors, getting pulled into the Iranian nuclear sites bombing, etc. This would be an unacceptable break from the standard neo-conservative interventionist and Israel First stance, although it should be in keeping with the America First ideology purported by the current US administration. In light of voicing related concerns, Kirk had recently said that Israel might kill him and that he was not allowed to criticize that country. (one X post example of many)
Some of the top conservative influencers/podcasters are adding witness to the Israeli government’s reaction to Kirk’s criticism: Tucker Carlson, Candace Owen, Megyn Kelly and others. For the interested, those posts and clips are abundant. Kirk was bothered and worried about the intense attacks, with him now being labeled an “anti-semite.”
Third, one of the best UVU crime scene analyses that I’ve seen (YouTube video) was by a former military sniper who demonstrates in slow motion via 4 camera angles a 22-minute breakdown of key aspects of the shooting. This, and other analyses, make it seem ludicrous that the kill shot was made from Mr. Kirk’s front by the purported 22-year old male that has been charged with the crime.
This scene analysis leaves me almost certain that the shot entered behind his right ear from a 4-oclock high position, and exited lower in his left neck. Before this gentleman’s analysis I couldn’t figure out why Kirk’s shirt popped forward when he was shot (as if he had deflected upwards and into the left side of his neck the initial, frontal bullet approach with body armor). The analyst clearly demonstrates that the wires from his ear piece were looped from his right ear around his left neck, down his shirt and curled around his abdomen. The pressure wave from the shot on/near the ear piece whipped the wire and popped his light T-shirt up, which becomes immediately understandable and visible once demonstrated.
So, my contra contra narrative summary to date, using data rather than emotion, is that most likely Israel perpetrated or abetted the political assassination of one of the greatest threats to their ongoing global designs, money flows, weapons supply, etc. (One might ask here if Israel – with or without US intelligence assistance – has ever committed similar operations or false flag events. I’ll say “many,” but leave that for another time.)
Kirk had become uncontrollable. If he had been given some time, he would likely have influenced the current administration and many of the conservative youth in the country to adopt a very different stance from the current policies. This effect cannot be overstated for Israel or for the military-industrial powers or for the long-standing war-driven unelected government control elements that never seem to change, regardless of elections. Some have termed these actors The Deep State.
The kid they arrested from the roof may or may not have fired a shot and was likely unaware of the larger scheme at play. Regardless, his shot did not hit, and he is the patsy, the fall guy, the Lee Harvey Oswald character. Meanwhile, the promoted narrative fits the well-established, simplistic agenda of civil division to pit right vs left on a number of points. This is typical distraction fed into the media machine.
The narrative now of organized, trans-identified and Antifa related violence may also be the final excuse to push into place control designs like hate speech laws and increased surveillance – much like 9/11 was the perfect entry for the Patriot Act of 2001. This situation is a massive win for deep state actors that want ever more control and surveillance of the citizenry. The negative downstream implications for civil liberties, human rights, and the rule of law are limitless.
My intention here is not necessarily to convince a reader but rather to document this somewhere for myself and any other interested parties. Will we look back upon this event in 20 years with a clear historical lens and see the obvious connections? We may not know for some time if this analysis is crazy or prescient. Regardless, I continue to believe that this event is an inflection point, but potentially much more far reaching than my initial concerns. Rather than simply threatening civil war or discord (and the power struggle for the Turning Point and influencer’s platform), the effects may be global and authoritarian.
The general public believed for many years that the JFK, RFK, and MLK assassinations were perpetrated as presented in official press releases, but we now know that secretive actors were integral in the planning, execution and cover-up of those treasonous, murderous crimes. Those assassinations changed the course of history – purposefully. There seems to be a playbook for these clandestine interventions. Perhaps today’s difference is that many are now aware of its existence. Whether this assessment is correct or not, the application of the experiences and lessons of the past to similar current events cannot be ignored without consequence.
Stay safe out there!
Addendum: 07 Oct 2025
It’s been almost a month since Kirk’s political assassination. Very little has been explained. Practically none of the official story squares with the available data. Of the massive number of cameras present on campus, within the crowd, circulating drones nearby and those of TPUSA production equipment, nothing can show a firearm being placed or used at the scene.
The angles, ballistics, physics and acoustics analyses contradict the official story. The minimal physical evidence presented cannot be directly linked to the suspect at the time of the event (e.g. the screwdriver on the roof that supposedly has his DNA, the firearm that was found in the woods). The suspect’s background and social media are contradictory and unclear.
However, with more camera angles and analysis by a number of citizen analysts, both amateur and professional, what early on seemed to be the most likely position of the real shooter and the bullet trajectory that I mentioned in the original blog, now seem less likely. Some of the best summary has been done by Dr. Chris Martenson (see his YouTube episode here, of multiple).
Regarding the original concerns that Israeli-aligned interests had significant motive to silence Kirk, those suspicions seem increasingly valid. There have been many hours of enlightening commentaries from the likes of Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, Ian Carroll, and so many others. The hasbara (purposeful deceit of the non-believer to the benefit of the member group) aspect of that very powerful sect is mind boggling. (Interesting documentaries here and here and here.)
The vultures of political, financial and foreign national breeds have moved to co-opt, capitalize on and distort Charlie Kirk’s words and organization for their own ends. So many parasites.
I suspect that this event will fade into the space of unsolved mysteries, like so many other society- and world-changing events, likely orchestrated by powerful people with the ability to obfuscate, confuse and obstruct.
Regardless, many today will not so easily believe and follow the narratives that might have infected their minds and will in the past. More are awake to the manipulations of the masses than in decades and centuries past. Whether these numbers reach an inflection point or critical mass, it is unclear. Certainly, there are massive attempts to purchase, censor and control speech, media and public opinion (e.g. the recent purchase of Tik Tok, the centralization of media outlets, the attacks on Elon Musk for allowing X to freely share information, “hate speech” laws being passed all around the world, incarceration for “hate speech” and “-phobia” of whatever protected class might be selected.)
It is difficult to know if we find ourselves in the moment of the birth or the death of free thought and speech in this internet/social media/AI era. It is difficult to know if there is reason for hope or despair.
Mixed with so many other significant forces of world tensions, state controls and interventions, currency devaluations, cultural migrations and clash, the weaponization of all conceivable political and educational and judicial tools – especially lawfare, revolutionary chaos for the mere sake of the chaos (e.g. Marxism, Antifa),… do we find ourselves in completely uncharted and apocalyptic territory, or in a typical cycle of societal downturn that seems vivid to us merely because we cannot imagine having lived through those well-worn historical cycles?
As this plays through, what else can we do but continue to live, to attempt to balance our daily experiences and work with situational awareness and cautious preparation for the future as best as we can foresee it? It is a wild ride – hopefully one with more purpose and future than can be easily appreciated while managing it.
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